1. 

   bando8000
   April 10th, 2010 - 18:35

   Kingfillins,

   That’s very kind of you to say. I appreciate it. I really do.

   You couldn’t have picked a better day to share your encouraging words with me.

   Thank you!

   P.S. band8000 = TedDGPoulos (my laptop signs me in with my first Youtube acct while my desktop just signed me in with my brand new YouTube acct in my given name.)
2. 

   Kingfillins
   April 10th, 2010 - 18:37

   @bando8000 Cheers!
3. 

   Kingfillins
   April 10th, 2010 - 19:31

   @bando8000

   Your head is firmly on your shoulders and I think you have an excellent approach to thees subjects and also communication in general with fellow humans.

   Thank you!
4. 

   bando8000
   April 10th, 2010 - 19:37

   @ Kingfillins

   Thanks for your Allen roses reference. I love it.

   Also, your note to me about pharma ghost writing is a fraud I am aware of. Big pharma seems to have written the book on marketing fraud, which disgusts me, as I’m sure it does you.

   If you’re interested in combatants of pharma fraud, Google a fellow by the name of Peter Breggin MD. He has spent 20+ years battling big pharma in court and may be the most experienced in this catastrophe of pharma fraud. He’s good!

   Cheers.
5. 

   bando8000
   April 10th, 2010 - 19:58

   REF#2: continued…

   Dawkins is on a mission, clearly, to promote science and so he is anathema to the downside of homeopathy while ignoring its positive effects.

   Likewise, he opts out of discussion about the downside of pharmacology because, perhaps, it may appear as an attack on the premiss of scientific enquiry.

   Let’s proceed from here, if we can, unless you see a more fundamental line of reasoning.

   To begin, I’m encouraged by Dawkins work. Religion is the greater threat I think

   Cheers.
6. 

   bando8000
   April 10th, 2010 - 20:32

   REF#1:

   Let’s take our thinking deeper to reach some agreement.

   The pejorative for homeopaths is charlatan and the pejorative for the drug companies is crook.

   The homeopath contributes to the belief in what appears to be non-science while the drug maker contributes to fixation on pills to solves one’s problems, damaging self-reliance.

   So. clearly they both have their downsides. Both of which, perhaps like you, I abhor.

   continued … REF#2
7. 

   gene101303
   April 10th, 2010 - 20:52

   Homeapaths are clearly charlatans and these two people use the stupidity of homeopathy to criticize any ways of dealing with disease other than standard medical drugs. Despite the fact that this industry is just as a flawed as homeopathy – they choose to ignore that.
8. 

   gene101303
   April 10th, 2010 - 21:30

   How can these two people completely ignore the obvious fact that drug companies are clearly out to make profit – whilst they solely attack the homeopathy industry. Homeopaths are a variation of drug companies they too offer cures in the form of a pill.
9. 

   gene101303
   April 10th, 2010 - 22:01

   I cant remember my comment to which you are replying to.

   But there are some known facts about health that these two people completely ignore. Because of this there is no debate about their incompetence. Richard dawkins does nothing for the world, does not help anybody. Pointless attacks on religion – how can anyone criticize other people for believing in something?
10. 

    Kingfillins
    April 10th, 2010 - 22:26

    @bando8000 You can simply put

    “Allen Roses, worldwide vice-president of genetics at GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), said fewer than half of the patients prescribed some of the most expensive drugs actually derived any benefit from them.”

    into the google search and it will bring it up from various sources. Its from around 2003.
11. 

    bando8000
    April 10th, 2010 - 23:19

    @gene101303

    Like homeopathy, butt hair does no Direct harm. Indirectly, however, it promotes mysticism, deism, theism, delusion, illusion, confusion and who knows what else.

    On the other hand, drug companies today through their products may do more harm than good. We know they do harm and we know they do good. The question now is, which is more?
12. 

    bando8000
    April 10th, 2010 - 23:46

    @Kingfillins

    I have a question you may be able to answer.

    You rrote 6-mos ago: “Allen Roses, worldwide vice-president of genetics at GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), said fewer than half of the patients prescribed some of the most expensive drugs actually derived any benefit from them.”

    Can you suggest please where to find this quote of Allen Roses? Was it published?

    Do you remember hold old this quote is?
13. 

    bando8000
    April 11th, 2010 - 00:17

    @Kingfillins

    I have a question you may be able to answer.

    You rrote 6-mos ago: “Allen Roses, worldwide vice-president of genetics at GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), said fewer than half of the patients prescribed some of the most expensive drugs actually derived any benefit from them.”

    Can you suggest please where to find this quote of Allen Roses? Was it published?

    Do you remember hold old this quote is?
14. 

    adamb0000
    April 11th, 2010 - 00:25

    i had a bad car crash when i was a kid – and the modern surgery and medicine saved my life – to think any kind of alternative medicine would have helped is a joke
15. 

    JohnnyKubark
    April 11th, 2010 - 01:10

    I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for mainstream medicine, because my mother would have died long before I was born. She managed to escape cancer in the early stages, thanks to “Evil mainstream medicine”.
16. 

    hymnofashes
    April 11th, 2010 - 01:37

    My mother had appendicitis yesterday, no lie, and if it weren’t for mainstream surgery and antiseptics, she would absolutely, no fucking speck of doubt, be dead right this instant.

    There are a lot of profiteers and charlatans in the medical industry, and big problems; but the science is solid. You’re not paying attention to huge successes you take for granted now; like penicillin, or the fact that there ISN”T smallpox, or even the germ theory of disease.
17. 

    beksinski
    April 11th, 2010 - 02:21

    I love how he says ‘thats very nice’
    It sounds condescending even though its not
18. 

    billysue2
    April 11th, 2010 - 02:48

    thats a HUGE exagerrationand totally unfair to the amount of innovation in medecine over the last 100 years.
19. 

    HeavyweightThinker
    April 11th, 2010 - 03:27

    As homeopathy does when giving “nothing” to a serious illness in early stage.

    The problem of modern medicine is the right detection of the illness and not the effect of the medicine. The medicine has a documented effect, so the problem relies on the right treatement and detection concerning the patient. To the contrary homeopathy has no effect at all
20. 

    ashbash986
    April 11th, 2010 - 03:46

    nah
21. 

    nohandstv
    April 11th, 2010 - 03:58

    Thats what a cameraman does to get a crisp focus on a subject. This is just the raw footage.
22. 

    ashman102
    April 11th, 2010 - 04:06

    Well good luck to you.
23. 

    Gemmabeta
    April 11th, 2010 - 04:43

    so what about Insulin? Vaccines? Asprin? Penicillin? Chemotherapy (how do you explain the increase in cancer survival rates?) AIDS antiretrovirals? I know that big Pharma has screwed the pooch on multiple occasions (Thalidomide was the big one) and has to be scrutinized to hell . But “huge failure”, hardly.
24. 

    atheistfriends
    April 11th, 2010 - 05:11

    Question: Why is the kettle boiling?

    Atheist answer: Because the water’s been heated to 100 degrees centigrade resulting in a change in state from liquid to gas.

    Christian answer: Because I want to have some tea.

    For more about how Atheists and Christians interpret evidence very differently, check out my channel.
25. 

    gene101303
    April 11th, 2010 - 06:11

    WHy the thumbs down for for kignfillins?
    The fact is minastream medicine IS a HUGE failure. Homepathy may not do anything. But mainstream medicine does a great deal of harm.

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